Marc: “The first thing is that anybody has the right to find out what is the breach of peace because we’re all equal under the law. So, the police can’t stop you in any manner to find out what is going on because you have the same powers as a policeman. They are not above you. You have the same powers as a police man, and you have an obligation to uphold the peace. So, you have every right to be there, to witness what is going on.”
“So all you do is you step to the side and if they move to block you again now they are interfering with your rights. And you just tell them to get out of the way, and you ask them twice. If they do it a third time you take their number and you do them for harassment because now they are harassing you. But not only are they harassing you, they’re actually interfering with evidence because it’s creating a record of what happened and they are trying to stop the creation of a record of evidence. So, that’s something that needs pursuing. It’s tampering with evidence which is not a very nice thing to do especially considering these are the people that we need to trust to uphold the rule of law.”
“I said to Joseph, specifically, to ask them if they are acting under their oath and the one guy said, ‘What difference is it?’ People need to understand the oath is the lawful contract. If they’re not acting under oath, then they’re not acting as officers of the law and therefore they have different powers- same as you and me under Section 24a. So they have limited powers if they do not confirm that they are acting under oath. Just because they’re dressed as a policeman, if they don’t confirm that they are acting under their oath, they’re fraudulently misrepresenting an officer of law, which is a jailable offence; it is a serious offence. So, we need to start holding them into account, that’s one brilliant, easy way to hold them to account: ‘What’s your capacity? Are you here as a police officer because you’re dressed up like one? Please confirm it. Or are you just somebody pretending to be a police officer?’ And a lot of them actually are not police constables, and that’s why they won’t affirm their oath. They’re dressed up like them. For instance, a lot of those people were actually transport police. I don’t know if they have the same powers as a constable, but as a civilian they have the powers of citizen’s arrest, but that’s very different and you want to distinguish where the line is. The oath is the third thing.”
“I don’t actually think any of the arrests are lawful if you give your name and address. And that makes absolute sense because the police are not the judge and jury, all they need to know is ‘okay, we’re going to issue a summons, a charge against you but it’s up to the court to decide innocent until proven guilty.’ Therefore, if you give your name and address, then they’ve got no reason to arrest you because they can get their paperwork to you with the court summons. Basically, every arrest is illegal, by the looks of things, if you give your name and address. And that there is going to absolutely throw them because that means they can’t arrest anybody provided they give the name or address.”
There was an arrest. Marc Horn, Glyn Prendergast and I witnessed the entire thing. I took photographs, Marc recorded with a body cam and Glyn observed in the background. So far, it appears that the arrest was unlawful (that will be for the courts to decide). The person who was arrested is in communication with Marc and I am told that he has decided to go forth with the court proceedings. London, April 24, 2021.
“The second thing is the police will try to board you away and block you away, especially when you’re taking photographs and if you’ve got a body cam, they’ll stand in front so that you can’t actually record what’s going on. Now, that is intentional and it’s the same principle of creating the record that they want (see officer in the above image holding a camcorder), except they want their record created and they don’t want other people to have a conflicting story, especially recorded on video. And so they’ll always try to block you.
“The people need to see the rule of law as being transparent because that’s what builds confidence. Once they start hiding like this, that creates suspicion and they are creating all of this upon themselves. If they were genuinely doing their job, they would have absolutely no problem being open and honest about it: ‘Look. Go ahead. There’s nothing wrong with what we’re doing.’”
Earlier in the day’s march, a man was cornered by people in police uniforms. He was released shortly after protesting witnesses chanted for the officers to let him go.
“The fourth: make sure you get contact details of the [arrested] person so that you can get your record to them so that they can use it in their defence. And when I say in defense, equally the police can use it in their defence because it’s creating a record of the event. You can sort out then what is right or wrong, who did what, who didn’t do what. So, basically we should be able to get a lot of serious messages out from that. And it’s about confidence. I mean, I said to the police man, ‘Get out of my way’. I said, ‘Look, you’re blocking my way. I’ve moved and you’ve now intentionally blocked my way again and that’s unlawful. Get out my way.’ Then he immediately stepped aside but that’s because I’m quite happy to stand and sit and argue with these guys.”
“We’re going to be suing as many as we can because each of them should be checking the lawfulness of what is going on individually before they act. You don’t follow orders.
“According to Section 117 of the Police and Evidence Act 1984, unless there’s an immediate threat of violence, causing physical harm to a person or property and you give your name and address where they can issue the summons, they can’t do anything. Basically, we can just strip all of the arrests- that’s the intent.
“The system is good, the system is right. If I think you’re doing something wrong, I’m going to lay charges against you. What do I need to lay the charges? I only need your name and address. And if I’ve got your name and address, then, okay, off you go. Then I go to the court and the court summons you and says, ‘Come answer this complaint’, because they are the judges and jury. That’s where the judgment of guilt or not comes from. So, it makes absolute sense the way the law is written, it’s good.
“We keep learning and learning and learning and we’ll beat them at their own game. For sure.”